Saturday, January 25, 2014
Friday, April 27, 2012
Response to "What Pelagianism And Calvinism Have In Common" by Derek Oullete
By D. Anthony Jones, April 26, 2012
This blog post was submitted to a Facebook group as a “must read” concerning Calvinism, the perseverance of the saints, and Assurance. I have taken the challenge to answer it from a biblical and logical position. It is not meant as a personal attack on Brother Derek. It is a critique of his soteriology, for the purpose of continued discussion. Derek’s post is in the plane font, my response to his points, are in grey italics. It is my Prayer that God may be honored by both of our efforts.
I want to put aside for a moment the question of the validity of Calvinism. There are many Calvinists I respect – none of which I would consider to be in the same camp as the neo-reformed. Mike Bird, Michael Patton, Denny Burk, to name a few. But rather than argue against the validity of Calvinism, I want to zero in on one tiny but enormous point Calvinists would rather seekers just not know.
The phrase "I Believe" tells of two things that we need to keep in mind: 1. He is stating a personal conviction 2. It is an opinion. Is there any actual statistical data that would support his claim? He supports this claim by giving three examples seen below
They want to feel eternally secure. Exhibit A: I have grown up with people personally who have become Calvinists because of the attractiveness of this very doctrine. I knew one man whose brother, a Pentecostal minister, was decidedly Pelagian when he taught. As a result my friend, who had difficulty managing those things he desired most – women, alcohol and popularity – wanted to find eternal security. Obviously his brothers Pelagian tendencies, and the insecurity that comes with it, lended itself to my friends decision to become a Calvinist. Of course there were other complex factors involved, but escaping a perceived Pentecostal Pelagian insecurity seemed to be a vital one.
Sunday, October 24, 2010
Where It All Began
This one particular time, as I was locating the Grace Community Church, which is on Commerce Street, and I decided to move the map to a location I thought was long gone. The place where God chose For me to hear the call of the Gospel. To my surprise, it was still there...
A Burger King... I was introduced to the King of Kings at a Burger King... Not only was it still there, they added a indoor playground...Cool...Sunday, September 19, 2010
Limited Atonement from the Teaching of The Good Shepherd
John 10: 11-15 cross/ref John 10:26= LIMITED ATONEMENT
Simple, to the point, and irrefutable... and in light of the fact that these are the very words of Christ himself, an Arminian would be wise to seek for a proper interpretation of the verses that he has to Ginsu to fit his poor theology...
John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."
John 10:15 "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep."
John 10:26 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."
Monday, September 6, 2010
The Folly of Free Will in Salvation
Ever have a problem, when discussing God's Sovereign Grace, of people quoting Bible verses that show the action of "Believing or Seeking," to support their Belief in Free will? Or perhaps they point to a Bible character who excercises faith, and exclaim that he came to Christ of his own volition. Any Good "Calvinist" has run into this, and The "Free Willie" has usually deluded himself into thinking the case is closed..
However, far from being correct the Arminian (FREE WILLIE) has to deal with one problem...
None of the verses they quote show a free will decision... they are simply imposing free will on the text . That is why you have biblical contradictions such as:
Jeremiah 29:13-And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. (A favorite Free will verse)
and
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is NONE THAT SEEKETH after God.
NOW IF HERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH GOD, how can a man make a free will decision to seek and find God..
>=== HE CAN NOT ==<
But due to spiritual blindness, or lack of biblical understanding, or downright rebellion against the sovereignty of God...Arminians are willing to forgo the obvious contradictions, and impose free will on every text that says "seek" or "believe." There is no text that CLEARLY supports free will decisions... only the Theological presupposition of those who can't see the truth. Verse after verse has been shown concerning the total inability to come to Christ. yet THEY show not one verse that clearly states man can make a free will decision. NONE. The Bible is clear : ANYONE AND EVERYONE who exercises saving faith in the bible, WHETHER SEEKING OR FINDING OR BELIEVING does so because they are are chosen by God, and regenerated by the Holy Spirit. They WILL come to Christ, and He WILL save and Preserve them.. and They will, when glorified, Conform to the image to Jesus Christ, as predestined before the foundation of the world
Isaiah 64:7 "There is no one who calls upon your name, who rouses himself to take hold of you, for you have hidden your face from us and have made us melt in the hand of our iniquities
Thursday, August 26, 2010
Curse Motif of the Atonement
This is a beautiful and Powerful message by one of my favorite Theologians, Dr. R.C. Sproul.
Wednesday, August 25, 2010
God's Sovereignty A Stumbling Block? - a response
Yet, Were it not for God's sovereignty... NO ONE WOULD COME
You see dear Friend, Every man who has ever, or will ever existed has a major Stumbling Block that prevents him from coming to Christ, but it is NOT the sovereignty of God...
It is the depravity of man... His Total Depravity. That Complete sin corruption that by nature effects every aspect of his existence, and renders him Spiritually DEAD... A corruption that is his very nature, as it has been inherited from our original parents at the fall..
Depravity, and the total inability that stems from it. THAT is the stumbling block. That is what SEPARATES man from God...
Rom 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
1. There is none righteous... That us a Universal negative... None... righteous... NONE
How can a man make a "free will" decision to do the righteous act of coming to God, when he is NOT righteous? Isaiah 64:6 says we are Unclean, and that our righteousness is as a garment stained with menstrual blood... Filthy rags... that is how God sees the righteous acts of man.
2. There is none that understandeth
In his natural state man can not understand God. Spiritual things are beyond his grasp. 1 Corinthians 2:14 says man does NOT ACCEPT the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him neither can he KNOW them....
How can a make make a free will decision when he is ignorant of spiritual things? He By His Very nature, is without understanding... He can not understand God to make a spiritual decision...
Here is a telling statement...Natural man does not seek after God.. Ephesians 2:2-3 says that man walks according to The course of the world, and the devil, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and mind. John 3: 19-20 Says man loves the darkness more than light, he hates the light and he will not come to the light...
4. There is None that doeth good.
What is meant by this statement? Men do Good things. Charitable acts, Heroic Feats, Sacrificial deeds... men do good things... but... Those goods do NOT justify us before God.Let us look back at Isaiah 64:6. ALL our righteous acts are as Filthy rags. If our only justification before God is our good works, then we have a problem... our works are not good enough...Even when they are done in Jesus name. In Matthew 7:21-23, we see people who seek justification by their righteous works, and Jesus tells them to depart and calls them workers of iniquity...Why, because man in his natural unregenerate state, can do nothing to please God. There is none that doeth good.
So if a man is not righteous, does not understand or seek after God, and he can do no good, who if not himself is the stumbling Block to his salvation?
Guess whose back!
Looking to add more as stuff pops into my ever thickening skull.. the net is ripe with music for the worship music battle of the bands, and I will also be posting Bible lessons and, as always, my humble opinion on various issues...
Let's Get this party started! It's good to be back.
Saturday, February 27, 2010
The Most Abused Verses in the Bible-- James 2:13, and Romans 4, Pt.1
"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."- James 2:17
If you have ever had any dealings with people who do not hold to the eternal security of the believer, or dealt with a pseudo-christian sect such as a Jehovah's Witness or a Latter-day Saint, you have more than likely ran into these verses. Cults such as those previously stated use them to prove you must work in addition to the belief of the gospel, Protestant denominations and many prominent theologians use these verses to support their doctrine of Lordship Salvation, in that, A saving faith will/must be accompanied by good works. (A subject will deal with in another post.) Atheists and skeptics attack The Bible by showing how these verses are a contradiction. Even Martin Luther struggled with the canonicity of James, calling it an "Epistle of Straw," and declaring his desire to "Toss Jimmy into the Stove". The above verse in James was probably the most irritating to him in light if the writings of Paul.
Yet, James is very much a part of the canon of Scripture, and a proper interpretation is needed to deny false teachers and atheists a proof text . When properly studied we will see that These verses deal with entirely different aspects of justification, and when the compared , the contradiction disappears, and the verses are actually very much compatible with each other
I. The Book of James
James is one of the eight catholic, or if you prefer, universal epistles, addressed to the "twelve tribes scattered abroad." It is not so much a epistle that is evangelistic, but rather an exhortation on living a godly life in the site of men and The Lord. In this letter the name of Jesus Christ only occurs twice, and the gospel and it's particulars are not mentioned at all. The references to the law are frequent, yet as you will see it is not the sacrificial law that is seen in the letter, but the moral law, A law that both Jew, and Gentile Christians are still accountable to. Written to the dispersed Jewish Christians, it shows Christianity not as some new religious concept, but a moral perfection, and completion of the of the Jewish faith.
Now keeping in mind that the letter as a whole is not evangelistic, we can more easily deal with the fact that the words "save", "faith" and "justified" are in the text.
II. Chapter 2- Justification
After dealing with the sin of partiality, in the first half of the second chapter, James moves on to the issue of faith and works. A Casual look at the text would show that the above claims have some truth, James does teach justification by works... But is the justification before God, or someone else? If this passage has to do with justification before God, then by all means. the passage contradicts the writings of Paul, but if it is justification before man, then the words "Justified," and "saved" have meanings other than our status before God...
III. Romans 4-Justification
In Romans chapter 3. Paul goes to great lengths to show that Man , both Jew and Gentile are totally depraved and unable to come to God, (Romans 3:10) and that men are justified freely by God's grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, (Romans 3:24) apart from the deeds of the law. (Romans3:28) In Romans 4, Paul adds support to his teaching by appealing to Characters in the Old Testament. one of those Characters, Abraham is also mentioned later in the second chapter of James. With these things in mind lets move to the passages in question.
IV. The Questions
Now if you notice, both of our passages of study, open with a question. In Romans 4, the question is "What has our descendant Abraham found?" Speaking of his standing before God, Paul then makes a clear statement of justification... It is not by works. Any ground that Abraham may have for boasting will not be before God. In Ephesians 2:8-9, says that God's Grace, His Salvation, and even your ability to respond in faith, are gifts of God, not of works lest any man should boast. Abraham had no basis to boast before God.
James on the other hand, opens up with two questions. The first is "What does it profit if a man say he hath faith and hath not works?" Notice the phrase, "if a man say." form the very start it appears that James is referring to a man's profession of faith. He then poses a second question. Can faith save him? Notice James mentions nothing about justification before God... he is basically saying "What good is your profession of faith, if there is no evidence?"
V. The Appeals
Notice that as each passage opens with a question, they also follow the questions with an appeal.
In Romans 4, Paul immediately appeals to Scripture, in the character of Abraham, who had righteousness imputed to him on the basis of his faith.
James, on the other hand does not refer directly to scripture, but offers a scenario of a man who has the means to help someone needy, and doesn't. The question, "What does it profit?" refers to his previous statement in verse 14. His appeal is to the Emotions of the people who he is writing to, in order to elicit a response to his next statement.
Now we come to the direct statements of each apostle. Paul makes it clear that those who work do not receive payment as a gift, but it is a wage. We do not receive the salvation of God because we earn it. All of our righteousness is as filthy rags. (Isaiah 64: 6) What we receive from God is a gift. Romans 6:23 states that the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. it is not something we work for, and we do not work to keep it either.
James on the other hand, appealing to the intellect of the people he writes to, says that if your faith does not show evidence, it is dead. like a corpse, it does nothing. it shows no proof of life. the Greek word for dead (Nekros) literally means lifeless.
As stated earlier, this is where grievous error and contradiction abound, both inside and outside the faith. These two verses are the heart of what seems to be a glaring contradiction, yet
as we examine both passages further, we will find that, not only is there no contradiction, but the verses fit as too pieces of puzzle, forming a full picture of real Faith actually is...
Secondary Appeals
In the above verses, notice once again that Paul appeals to scripture, from the writings of David. Quoting from the Psalms, (32:1) Paul states that even in the lives of the forefathers, prior to Christ, The man after God's own heart, was not justified by his works, but by Faith. Notice the words of David. Iniquities covered, sins forgiven, and the last statement;
(Romans 2:4-5) Herein lies your justification before God, in that your sins are not placed to your account. and that is in addition to them being covered. God forgives you because he chooses not to see your sins, and not to count them against you... He literally declares you righteous. not on the basis of your works, but on the imputed righteousness of His Son, which is also a gift.
James on the other hand, once again appeals to emotion without making a direct reference to Scripture. This is done in what appears to be a form of a challenge...YOU show ME YOUR faith,
without YOUR works, and I will show THEE, MY faith by MY works.. Notice something?
Where is God mentioned in this passage? James addresses the person with a challenge to SHOW HIS FAITH, without works... and it can't be done.
James is seeking visible evidence of a man's claim to be in the faith. He then goes on to imply that if all a man has is belief in God, he is no better off, as far as his testimony is concerned, than the demons, who also believe, and show evidence for their belief in fear. (v.19)
From the passage we see that James is not saying man is justified before GOD by his works, but that works are evidence of a man's testimony of faith before his fellow man.. In other words, don't proclaim you are a Christian to others, unless you are doing the works to back it up.
One example that I recall clearly is from a preacher at a revival meeting, who said:
If you are at a restaurant, and want to leave a gospel tract for the waitress, NEVER stiff them on the tip."
God knows the heart of man, and knows who his children are. (John 10: 27, 2 Timothy 2:19) Man, who can not see what is in the heart of an individual, only sees evidence of faith, by the works of a Christian. (Matthew 7: 17) How he speaks, in particular, because his conversation is evidence of the condition of his heart. (Matthew 12:34)
Justification before God is by faith, apart from works, and justification before man, is by works in addition to faith. Paul and James were writing of two distinct things. This will be further evidenced as we examine both of the apostles view of Abraham, in the next post.
Part 2 coming soon...